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Courageous Leadership as a Daily Practice

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant

Vox Media Podcast Network

June 25, 2026

Show Notes

In this Re:Thinking podcast episode recorded at Authors@Wharton, Brené joined Adam to dig into her book, Strong Ground. They explore why courage now has to mean being a learner instead of a knower, and why values aren't just what you care about-- they're what you sacrifice for. The conversation moves through the four skill sets of courage, why a value that isn't operationalized into behavior is just a poster with an eagle on it, and how to use the "story I'm making up" framework for hard conversations. They also get into executive presence, vulnerability, care, and why fake courage is easy to spot.


Strong Ground: The Lessons of Daring Leadership, the Tenacity of Paradox, and the Wisdom of the Human Spirit – Brené Brown, 2025,Random House

Research – Brené Brown (n.d.).

Thediscovery of grounded theory – Glaser & Strauss, 1967, Aldine

Awarenessof dying – Glaser & Strauss, 1965, Aldine

De-tabooingdying control – Thulesius et al., 2013,BMC Palliative Care

Never Split The Difference – Chris Voss, May 24, 2016,TEDx University of Nevada

Expectancy Theory (Victor Vroom) – The Decision Lab, (n.d.)

Dare to lead: List of values – Brené Brown, 2018

Dare to Lead Hub – Brené Brown

BrenéBrown brings Dare to Lead program to UT – University of Texas at Austin, 2020,UT News

Neuralprocessing of narratives – Jääskeläinen et al., 2020,Frontiers in Human Neuroscience

TheNew Rules of Executive Presence – Sylvia Ann Hewlett, Jan-Feb 2024,Harvard Business Review

The Gifts of Imperfection - Your Guide to a Wholehearted Life: 10th Anniversary Collection – Brené Brown, 2010


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