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George Packer: Trump Was a Symptom

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

November 28, 2025

Show Notes

Americans were already losing touch with basic decency before Trump came along—and he exploited that indecency, distrust, and division to win power. In his new novel, George Packer spins a story of an imaginary country that just collapses, and how ordinary people have to learn to live together again.
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