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Saturday, Sep 12, 2026 · 2 hr 25 min

Inside the Pentagon on 9/11 | Ambassador Matthew Klimow

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Ambassador Matthew Klimow recounts his path from West Point and a 30-year Army career to the highest levels of U.S. national security, including his firsthand experience inside the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. We also discuss the chaos of that day, the early War on Terror, working for Vice President Dick Cheney, and his later diplomatic career as U.S. ambassador to Turkmenistan.
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– Start
– Growing Up in Upstate New York & His Father’s WWII Service
– West Point in the Turbulent 1970s
– Serving in Cold War Germany
– The Old Guard, Reagan’s Inauguration & Washington
– The Career Decision That Changed Everything
– Traveling With the Secretary of State & the Balkan Wars
– Madeleine Albright & the NATO-Russia Brigade Disaster
– Working With General Richard Myers on the Joint Staff
– Commanding at Fort Bragg & Returning to Washington
– Inside the Pentagon Before 9/11
– Watching the World Trade Center Burn From His Pentagon Office
– NORAD Calls the Pentagon’s Red Phone
– The White House Emergency Conference Begins
– “The Building Moved”: The Pentagon Is Hit
– General Myers Returns to the Burning Pentagon
– Could U.S. Fighters Shoot Down a Hijacked Airliner?
– The Chaos Between NORAD, the FAA & Secret Service
– Watching the South Tower Collapse From the Command Center
– Rumsfeld Returns & the Pentagon’s Command Crisis
– Cheney Is Rushed Into the White House Bunker
– President Bush: “Find Out Who Did This”
– Running Out of Oxygen Inside the Pentagon
– Rumsfeld Refuses to Evacuate
– “What Haven’t We Thought of Yet?” & Raising DEFCON
– Walking the Flight 77 Crash Site
– Soldiers Try to Reenter the Burning Pentagon
– Continuity of Government & Raven Rock
– The Human Toll of the Pentagon Attack
– General Shelton Returns to Washington
– “We’re Going to War”
– Going Home After 9/11 & Returning the Next Morning
– Planning the Afghanistan War & Discovering Turkmenistan
– Helping the Kabul Evacuation 20 Years Later
– Anthrax, the DC Snipers & Fear After 9/11
– Afghanistan, Iraq & the First Year of the War on Terror
– Working for Vice President Dick Cheney
– A Credible Terror Plot Against the New York Subway
– The Threat of Terrorists Shooting Down Airliners
– What 9/11 Exposed About Government Bureaucracy
– Retiring From the Army & Joining the State Department
– How You Actually Become a U.S. Ambassador
– Becoming Ambassador to Turkmenistan
– Turkmenistan, Russia & “Positive Neutrality”
– Natural Gas, Europe & Reducing Dependence on Russia
– How Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine Changed Central Asia
– Diplomacy, Political Prisoners & the Carrot and Stick
– Fighting for Women’s Rights in Turkmenistan
– Turkmenistan’s Future, China & the Caspian
– What It’s Actually Like to Visit Turkmenistan
– The Case for American Soft Power
– Retirement & Trying to Be More Like His Father
– Final Thoughts

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