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Interesting Times: She Exposed Epstein and Shares MAGA’s Anger by New York Times Opinion

Interesting Times: She Exposed Epstein and Shares MAGA’s Anger

from The Ezra Klein Show

by New York Times Opinion

Published: Tue Dec 02 2025

Show Notes

My colleague Ross Douthat talks to the journalist who exposed Jeffrey Epstein.

This episode of “Interesting Times,” with the Miami Herald investigative journalist Julie K. Brown, came out back in July. But since Epstein has very much stayed in the news, I wanted to share it now. The conversation is such a fascinating and helpful explainer of the whole case, and the questions that remain unanswered — with the woman whose reporting led to Epstein’s re-arrest.

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