A Mind-Bending Conversation with Peter Thiel

The billionaire Peter Thiel is unimpressed with our pace of innovation. In this episode, he critiques artificial intelligence, longevity science and space travel — and warns that our lack of progress could lead to catastrophic outcomes, including the emergence of the Antichrist.

• 01:19- What does stagnation mean in 2025?
• 06:30- Peter Thiel's case for more progress and innovation
• 11:30- Does taking more scientific risk include life extension?
• 15:14- Peter Thiel's political history
• 18:34- Did Trump live up to Thiel's expectations?
• 25:10- Does Elon Musk still want to go to Mars?
• 28:09- How Thiel defines A.I.
• 33:20- Is A.I. Too Modest An Ambition?
• 35:23- How will the human race evolve? Should it?
• 41:53- Thiel's critique of Silicon Valley
• 43:40- Who is the real Antichrist?

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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