
Will SCOTUS Allow Conversion Therapy for Minors?
from Strict Scrutiny
by john fabian witt, leah litman, kate shaw, melissa murray
Published: Mon Oct 13 2025
Show Notes
Leah, Melissa, and Kate are back in business, breaking down this term’s first week of arguments at SCOTUS, including a challenge to Colorado’s ban on conversion therapy for minors. Also covered: the indictment of New York’s Attorney General Letitia James, the continuing legal fights against Trump’s efforts to send the National Guard into Portland and Chicago, and Attorney General Pamela Jo Bondi’s pugnacious testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Then, Kate and Leah speak with Yale Law Professor John Fabian Witt about his book The Radical Fund: How a Band of Visionaries and a Million Dollars Upended America, which chronicles how philanthropist Charles Garland bankrolled progressive causes through his American Fund for Public Service.
- If you want to learn more about Buck v. Bell (the 1927case Justice Alito referenced in the Chiles arguments), listento our deep dive from 2020
Favoritethings:
Leah: Protest videos from Portland and Chicago; TheSentimental Garbage podcast on The Life of a Showgirl
Kate: Writers& Lovers by Lily King, CreationLake by Rachel Kushner; Red Clover Ranch in Wisconsin; wine and cider from Las Mujeres
Melissa: Vision & Justice; Miss Toy Poodle on Instagram
Leah will be in conversation with UCLA Law Professor Rick Hasen at the Hammer Museum in Los Angeles on Tuesday, Oct 14, 2025at 7:30 PM. Details here.
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