Opinion Crossover: California Republicans, Facebook and Media Navelgazing

Today, we’re doing something a little different. Instead of a normal interview, we wanted to let you in on a special round table discussion I recently had with my fellow Opinion Audio hosts: Jane Coaston of “The Argument” and Kara Swisher of “Sway.” We discuss California’s recall election, the future of the Republican Party, the recent “Facebook Files” revelations, the case for and against breaking up Big Tech, why so many Americans distrust the media and much more.

So enjoy! And remember to subscribe to “Sway” and “The Argument” wherever you get your podcasts.

Mentioned:

“GavinNewsom Is Much More Than the Lesser of Two Evils” by Ezra Klein

“HowCalifornia conservatives became the intellectual engine of Trumpism” by Jane Coaston

“TheFacebook Files”

Book recommendations:

TheFall of Berlin 1945by Anthony Beevor

Fuzzby Mary Roach

Thisis Your Mind On Plants by Michael Pollan

TheGrace of Kings by Ken Liu

You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

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